QUIJA BOARD MADNESS

EPISODE #31 QUIJA BOARD MADNESS

The Quija Board is a controversial piece of paranormal equipment.  Trust me I’m using that term extremely loosely.  However, the real question is, are Quija Boards real?

A quick Quija Board history

I don’t want to get too in depth in the history of the Quija Board, but it’s important information to come to an understanding on whether these boards are a way to communicate with the dead or just a way for your friends to screw with you.

The first accounts of people using the talking board to reach the spirits on the other side were way back around 1100 A.D. in China.  The Chinese called this practice Fuji which means planchette writing.

Quija Boards in America

It didn’t take long for the Quija Board to gain popularity in the United States.  Spiritualism was gaining popularity in the 1800s.  Mostly due to the Civil War.  During wartime, there is always a rise in spiritualism because people want to contact their lost loved ones. 

Of course, someone figured out they could make a buck from people’s pain and the Quija Board was manufactured and marketed by the Kennard Novelty Company in 1901.  Kennard marketed the board game towards the family as something they could do together. 

The board's popularity grew, and during WWII the Quija board outsold Monopoly.  In these early days of the spirit communication board, there was no talk of demons or evil spirits.  This concept didn’t arise until around 1973 and the release of the movie The Exorcist.  Once Hollywood put its stamp on this idea, it took hold in pop culture, and Quija Boards moved from a fun board game to a sure-fire way to get possessed by a demonic spirit right out of hell.

Religion and the Quija Board

Naturally, religion has some strong opinions on the use of Ouija Boards.  Generally, the church always has and always will frown upon anything supernatural, useless it benefits them and puts money in the offering plate. 

In their opinion, they feel any contact with the spirit world can only lead to horrible things and end up setting a person down the horrific path to hell.  I think this concept has only enhanced the lore and legend of the Quija board.

The demon Zozo

Zozo is the demon most often connected to the Quija Board.  Some feel the mear mention of his name can bring paranormal danger into your life.  It looks like I now have something to worry about now. 

It’s uncertain where Zozo is just one demon or a name a group of ghosts uses.  So, what can happen when this demon makes an appearance:

·         Depression

·         Thoughts of suicide

·         Some rare cases of interaction with an incubus or succubus

Having a sexual encounter with an incubus/succubus is a bit extreme and probably a load of crap. 

Signs Zozo is making an appearance

There are some signs you are having demonic interaction while conducting a Quija Board session. 

·         Connecting all four corners of the board with the planchette

·         Zozo spelling his/her name

·         Numbers counting down backward

·         Letters counting down

·         Finally, the dreaded figure 8

Zozologist

There is even a Zozologist.  Darrell Evens has given himself this title because of all of his encounters with the Quija demon.

He’s even made several appearances on paranormal television shows.  You guessed it; the might Ghost Adventures has included him in a few episodes. 

He’s revealed some of the experiences on these shows.  One account he told was when his daughter was picked up and carried thru the house my Zozo.  Are these stories entirely true?  This question I can’t answer because I wasn’t there at the time.  Honestly, they are a bit hard to believe in my estimation.

Rules of the Quija Board

·         Never play alone

·         Don’t play depressed

·         Bless the area before and after you use the board

·         Never mock the spirits

·         Stop when the sign of a demon is present

My final thoughts

Do I buy all this Quija Board stuff?  The answer is more complicated than I ordinally thought.  Honestly, the answer is no.  It’s just a board with numbers and letters on it.  A demon will not come and take your soul because you have your fingers on the planchette and ask a few stupid questions. 

The show Brain Games did an experiment session.  At first, the participants used the Quija Board and received some interesting and possibly relevant responses.  However, they threw in a twist and blindfolded the people.

This session was as productive as the first and showed once they couldn’t see the board the spirits lost their ability to see as well.  Even after this second session, a few of the people still believed there is something to this Quija stuff.

This is the problem; some people have such a confirmation bias that they see supernatural or paranormal in everything or every situation they encounter.  The ideomotor effect can also play a role in the answer of if the Quija Board is real or not. 

Sometimes our brains can send signals to our muscles, and us don’t even know or realize it’s going on.  So, are people just answering their questions?  I feel this is possible and probably more likely than the other side of the story.

Maybe some people believe in it so much they make their reality.  I don’t have any fear of using one of these boards.  If a spirit needs to speak thru the board and me with a planchette, how strong is he or she.

If they want me to buy it, move the darn thing themselves, or appear and tell me directly.  If the spirits can’t do that, then they aren’t strong enough to hurt me.

Send me your Quija Board story

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Quija Board Episode Transcript

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what is going on everybody welcome to

another episode of ghosts in the night

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hauntings and paranormal podcast I'm

Phil Sams thank you so much for taking

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the time out of your busy schedule to

come visit me and listen to this podcast

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today we're going to tackle the subject

of the always dreaded Ouija board we're

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gonna cover some history we're gonna go

over some rules we might even talk about

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that good old quija board demon and

also I'm going to naturally give you my

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opinion on this topic and whether or not

the Ouija board is a way to communicate

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with the dead open a portal or is just

plain BS so stick around ghost in the

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night with Phil Sams all right so let's

cover the history of the Ouija board I'm

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going to keep this short because there's

a plethora of information you can find

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on it so you don't need me regurgitating

that to you necessarily but there are

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some interesting points I do want to

make when it comes to the history of the

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quija board so I'm gonna hit those

topics and then we're gonna move into

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the rules and maybe even talk about that

demon originally the first instance of a

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talking board I should say this really

dates back to China back in the

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eleventeen 1100s they used some sort of

talking board to communicate Oracle's

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would use them in things such as that so

that was really the first introduction

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to some sort of talking board where

people would interact or communicate

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with the dead in the 1800's there was a

uptick in spiritualism especially during

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the civil war time whenever there's a

war or dramatic loss of life life there

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is always going to be a you know a

desire to reach out to your loved wooden

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loved ones that have passed and kind of

get some closure

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so naturally during the Civil War people

really wanted to make contact

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those loved ones they lost in the war

there was a real popularity of

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spiritualism at that time and that

continued throughout the late 1800s now

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naturally the somebody in the u.s.

decided they could make a buck off this

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so the canard novelty company filed

patents to actually produce these Ouija

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boards and I think they debuted in'

right around 1901 and they were big

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success they were very popular

people considered they really considered

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it and it was marketed as you know fun

for the whole family you know gentlemen

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would buy it for their female companions

or wives or friends or whatever and

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there was a way to bring the family

together and really start to enjoy time

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together

however there was no talk of demons that

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were you know wasn't any demonic things

at that time it was just a fun

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essentially game the popularity of this

game talking board spirit board Ouija

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board whatever you want to call it with

the rise of spiritualism you know the

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influx of death and people were

naturally being curious towards the

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afterlife and spirits the popular just

soared and even in during World War two

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I believe

we board actually outsold Monopoly you

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know because people wanted to oh I have

always had a fascination with the spirit

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world and interacting with ghosts it's

just it's just not a modern thing people

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have always had a fascination with death

because let's face it we're all gonna

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get there someday and you know we want

to know what's on the other side so that

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is why people turn to religion that is

why people want to interact with the

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dead and ghosts and spirits and find out

what's on the other side so we do not

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fear it as much because there is 100%

finality to death once you're here once

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you die you're gone now we're not going

to debate the reality of the spirit

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world we all have our different opinions

and that is something personal for you

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and personal for me you know I think if

you listen to this podcast you know how

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I feel about the afterlife I don't know

I believe that there is but I'm not a

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hard person sure of anything

so let's how did the Ouija board go from

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a fun way to bring the family together

and talk to

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the spirit world and just make contact

the early days of paranormal

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investigating when did it make that turn

to basically being a way to open a

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portal through to hell

naturally religion has always frowned

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upon this kind of behavior naturally you

know they don't want you to make contact

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with the spirit world unless it's their

way let's be honest you know any way

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that deviates from their way of talking

to us a higher being or talking to

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spirits it's bad unless it's they're

pushing it so naturally the church

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really started to push the idea that

this was not a great and safe way to

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entertain yourselves but it really

wasn't until 1973 with a little movie

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called The Exorcist and if you haven't

seen that movie you know go check it out

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I guess it's been hell it's been forever

since I've seen it but that is when the

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Ouija board really took a turn in

basically you were doomed to be

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possessed

if you used a Ouija board how I mean and

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basically the premise of the story is

it's about possession a little girl got

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possessed and it started all by using a

Ouija board so naturally leave Hollywood

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screw it up for everybody else and just

like people believe everything on

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Facebook people believe everything they

see in the movies it seems like it

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wasn't until this movie when the demon

aspect of this really started to rear

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its head and take hold in society now a

lot of people say that there's one demon

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associated with the Ouija board but I'm

not quite sure I don't know I've used

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Ouija board when I was in my younger

days I didn't have an interaction with a

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demon that was way back when I was

basically a kids when I use it so you

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know I didn't have a lot a lot of

knowledge about this kind of stuff

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and but there are some people people

believe that you can't even mention this

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demons name but guess what I'm going to

the demon is Zozo and they have said

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that this demon will start interacting

with people through different means

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through the Ouija board if it's

basically like opening a portal to his

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world he will start he or she had don't

really know if so there's a male or

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female it really could come off as a

nice friendly Casper type spirit and

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answering your questions having a good

old time then at some point it will turn

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dark and shit will start hitting the fan

and next thing you know your head

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spinning around backwards and you're

levitating above your bed now whether or

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not Zozo is one spirit or just a group

of spirits especially yanking our chain

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and having fun with this I don't know

there is that philosophy that maybe so

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though isn't one spirit it's a bunch of

spirits just using that moniker because

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they're like huh

and if you've listened to this podcast

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in the past you know I've had some Ghost

Box sessions with the word Satan has

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come up now do I believe that Satan was

actually in either of these two

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locations in which it happened no this

part if it was a spirit then it was just

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a spirit spirit using that word to

intimidate me and the people in that

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particular session I do not think Satan

was there if he's got that kind of time

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I'm not that worried about it anyway

then I would think he'd had more

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important things to do on his agenda

then screw our with me on a Friday

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Saturday night in a pitch-black room

with a basically a radio in my hand so I

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do not think that Satan was there just

like it might be the same with this Zozo

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in the Ouija board

so what can't happen when

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the Zozo or any evil spirit

I guess starts interacting with you

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through the Ouija board now there's been

reported cases of depression thoughts of

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suicide which really honestly goes along

with depression I guess now there's even

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been reports of sexual encounters

you know the Incubus and succubus aspect

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of the paranormal you know I've never

had that kind of activity in my life so

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I can't really speak that much about it

but I know that there have been some

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reports of that kind of behave or that

kind of action or that kind of response

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to the use of Ouija board if you're

using a Ouija board how do you know you

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are interacting with a demon if you

believe in that kind of thing um there

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are several things that can occur during

a session that might cause you to perk

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your ears up and say hmm maybe I am

dealing with something a little bit on

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the darker side like if the planchette

moves connects all four corners

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generally a sign that you're interacting

with something a little bit darker and a

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little bit heavier and the shits about

ready to hit the fan spelling out the

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word Zozo or the name Zozo that's a

pretty good clue

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you know maybe numbers counting down

backwards you know nine eight seven six

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same goes with the alphabet you know

starting the rear end of the alphabet

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and heading toward a that's could be a

good bet and also figure eight if the

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planchette starts moving in a figure

eight motion

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you might be dealing with something in

or Zozo might be knocking at the door

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now it said that if these things start

happening it's best to stop it before it

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completes the action that helps you with

the odds of coming um okay and or gives

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you a better chance of coming out not

being possessed I guess but you know

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this is all reports in you take you have

to take anything somebody's up

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experience unless you were actually

there with a grain of salt you like I

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said you weren't there who knows they

could just have an active imagination

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now if you've experienced this yourself

be sure to let me know send me an email

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at ghostsinthenightpodcast@gmail.com I would love to hear your

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story or you can hit me up on Twitter @night_ghosts send me a direct

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message let me know what experience

you've you've had good or bad if you've

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been possessed hit me up I love to hear

about it apparently, a zozoologist is a

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thing I was not aware and you know that

term has been thrown out there and

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apparently there is one zoologist that I

could find and that is mr. Darrell Evans

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I believe is his name and you might

recognize him from you guessed it he's

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been on Ghost Adventures leave it to

them to find the one so zozoologist he's

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been in a few episodes that I think too

that I can think of maybe more look that

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I don't watch it religiously but I know

I've seen him I believe on two episodes

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and his story generally is you know he

was

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I haunted I don't I don't think he was

possessed by Zozo but he was haunted by

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his own Zozo you know made his life hell

apparently even in one account I believe

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he something grabbed his daughter I

believe it was and picked her up and

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carried her through the house he

explained all this on Ghost Adventures I

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guess take that for what it's worth

somebody's always getting possessed on

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that show so why shouldn't those I make

an appearance but I don't hold a lot of

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credibility to these stories unless I

see it firsthand then I put a little bit

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more credibility with the stores if I

you know if I see it if somebody tells

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me a story or I see something I will say

hey yeah that kind of got kind of got

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weird at some point so that is one

aspect you have to be very careful of

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when researching the Ouija board

especially if you youtube that shit 90%

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of that shit is just for views and they

are making some serious shit up do your

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research if you were interested in this

topic and see you know but just look at

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it with a skeptical eye so let's get to

the next portion of the Ouija board

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there are a bunch of rules you need to

follow apparently when you play or I

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shouldn't say play games people get

pissed when you say it's a game when you

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do a session with the Ouija board you

need to follow certain rules I kind of

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looked up to see how many rules and it

really varied from site to site from

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video to video but there were some

common goals that you need to abide by

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apparently if you want to have a safe

session with the Ouija board naturally

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never play it alone and some people we

even take that step further never play

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alone and don't play it in your own home

I mean it kind of makes sense honestly

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if there is anything to quija board you

probably don't want to do it in your own

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home however doing it in another home or

someplace else

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which also never you do it in a cemetery

apparently that's some bad shit can go

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on I don't put much stock in the whole

cemetery thing cemeteries are scary in

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our own psyche you know I don't even

like to go do EVP sessions or anything

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in a cemetery because I'm not that sure

why would a spirit still be at the

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cemetery those are just the vessels

that's not the spirit itself they had

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moved on and there were probably to

another place why are they just hanging

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out where their bodies are at so I don't

put much stock in cemeteries I just

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think the idea of a cemetery creeps

people out so naturally they feel they

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have some experiences at a cemetery just

before the mere creep factor and I will

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talk about the kind of topic a little

bit here at the toward the end why that

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is why we find so much fear in say a

cemetery so stick around for that but

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never play alone in the same thing kind

of goes with that as well you know when

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you're alone you know you can get

freaked out if you're doing something

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that something negative could happen or

you're interacting with the spirit world

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and you're alone it's gonna freak you

out

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now the next one has had was common on

just about every site or every person I

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listen to don't play depressed because

that puts you at a weaken in the state

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no shit years probably a lot of shit you

shouldn't do in your depressed and when

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you do it depressed you are more likely

to have an encounter and it could be

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negative now it doesn't necessarily mean

necessarily mean it's a spirit or demon

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it just could be yourself and I'll get

into that as well a little bit later but

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apparently a lot of people say negative

entities are drawn to people with those

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type issues you know they feed on I've

always heard and I don't put a lot of

0:17:04.480,0:17:09.400

stock in this either that they feed on

fear now the next I included the next

0:17:09.400,0:17:13.329

rule because I didn't see it on every I

did see a version of it I should say on

0:17:13.329,0:17:21.280

most is always do or you should do a

blessing before and after you do a

0:17:21.280,0:17:23.730

session

0:17:24.409,0:17:31.370

okay you know if you've opened

Portol to hell and you just sprinkle some

0:17:31.370,0:17:38.000

salt around and some holy water around

unless you got a priest on standby I'm

0:17:38.000,0:17:42.230

not sure how much good it's gonna do if

you actually opened up a portal lodged

0:17:42.230,0:17:47.120

even through if you buy all that benefit

whatever makes you sleep at night and

0:17:47.120,0:17:53.210

gives you peace of mind do it I guess

but I think that's the key whatever

0:17:53.210,0:17:59.810

gives you peace of mind that's a very

important phrase to use when talking

0:17:59.810,0:18:03.730

about it any kind of blessing or

whatever if it gives you peace of mind

0:18:03.730,0:18:11.720

by all means knock yourself out

the next one if I played there is I said

0:18:11.720,0:18:18.830

it again played if I used a Ouija board

today or this weekend or the next

0:18:18.830,0:18:23.510

session paranormal investigation I go on

I use the Ouija board I guarantee you I

0:18:23.510,0:18:31.690

will be guilty of this and probably will

bring the wrath of the almighty Zozo and

0:18:31.690,0:18:36.980

that is they say you should never Mock

the spirits but I'm sorry

0:18:36.980,0:18:43.810

I'm a smartass so naturally

I'm gonna do a little mocking if they

0:18:43.810,0:18:50.390

I'm using a Ouija board in the spirit

gives me a dumbass answer I'm gonna make

0:18:50.390,0:18:55.660

fun of it a little bit it's not

disrespect I'd do it to anybody I was if

0:18:55.660,0:19:01.700

you know I was with my buddies and they

say something stupid I'm gonna say

0:19:01.700,0:19:06.770

something so I would probably be guilty

this and probably will be possessed but

0:19:06.770,0:19:11.390

we'll see maybe I will do one here in

the near future just to kind of give it

0:19:11.390,0:19:17.740

a shot because like I said it's been I

was a child or younger much younger when

0:19:17.740,0:19:22.250

the last

I had the privilege of using a Ouija

0:19:22.250,0:19:28.490

board the next rule is I kind of

covered this a little bit earlier is

0:19:28.490,0:19:35.600

when those signs of a demonic entity or

demon poking its head out you need to

0:19:35.600,0:19:41.570

stop it and don't let it complete the

movement or whatever it's doing whether

0:19:41.570,0:19:45.890

it's connecting the four corners or

counting down backwards or you know if

0:19:45.890,0:19:52.310

you get Z O you might want to just

forcibly stop the good old know planchette

0:19:52.310,0:19:58.520

from going to the next two letters

pretty much self-explanatory makes sense

0:19:58.520,0:20:01.850

I guess

of course how storm could the demon be

0:20:01.850,0:20:10.130

if it has to actually do that to come

out I don't know that's the question

0:20:10.130,0:20:17.060

somebody could answer me I don't know

and oh the next one is naturally you

0:20:17.060,0:20:22.700

open the session and you always say

goodbye with a set the session you know

0:20:22.700,0:20:28.550

never just you know take your hands off

the planchette and stay in put in the

0:20:28.550,0:20:33.770

box and go now we could get into a

little which I'm not I really didn't

0:20:33.770,0:20:37.910

I didn't want to talk about but as I've

said here talking and thinking I thought

0:20:37.910,0:20:43.010

maybe I should go ahead and include this

um and that is this if you do have a

0:20:43.010,0:20:51.380

session that turns bad and you want to

get rid of the UM Ouija board you know

0:20:51.380,0:20:57.240

what do you do

naturally people say never burn it um

0:20:57.240,0:21:02.280

most common thing is people say you

don't necessarily have to get rid of it

0:21:02.280,0:21:07.710

but make sure the board somewhere in the

budget are separate and never touching

0:21:07.710,0:21:15.560

okay but it seems like the most common

is to take it and bury it facedown and

0:21:15.560,0:21:21.480

then bury the planchette someplace else

that seems to be the best way to dispose

0:21:21.480,0:21:29.030

of one if you know of another way or a

better way or I'm wrong let me know but

0:21:29.030,0:21:35.190

that apparently is the best way to

dispose of quija board let's go ahead

0:21:35.190,0:21:42.300

and get to my thoughts on quija board

and do I buy it do I think it's portal

0:21:42.300,0:21:47.250

to hell do I think it's a great

way to interact with spirits

0:21:47.250,0:21:54.600

now if you've made this far you can

probably tell that I don't put a lot of

0:21:54.600,0:22:02.730

stock in all of this I personally feel

it's a game it's a parlor trick I don't

0:22:02.730,0:22:08.540

think that spirits are actually

interacting I'd should say don't think I

0:22:08.540,0:22:14.160

I'm not sure whether the spirits are

actually interacting through a Ouija

0:22:14.160,0:22:21.270

board but you know the quija board was

what patent in 1900 and went on the

0:22:21.270,0:22:28.340

market 1901 I believe um so basically

that was their way of communicating

0:22:28.340,0:22:36.590

today we have the Ghost Box the Ovilus

those are all ways to communicate with

0:22:36.590,0:22:43.410

spirits they're basically the modern-day

Ouija boards now you don't hear people

0:22:43.410,0:22:48.600

saying never use

a spirit box to the same effect that you

0:22:48.600,0:22:51.590

hear people say Ouija board game you

shouldn't even do it

0:22:51.590,0:22:55.950

spirit box is the modern-day way to

communicate with the spirits just like

0:22:55.950,0:23:03.540

quija board is so why can't a spirit if

a spirit can interact through a ghost

0:23:03.540,0:23:09.930

box or the Ovilus machine of this device

or whatever that's just this it's the

0:23:09.930,0:23:15.390

same thing it's the same way to

communicate with the spirit world if you

0:23:15.390,0:23:22.740

think that that's exactly what it's

doing my main problem with the spirit

0:23:22.740,0:23:28.770

board is really there is just way too

much room for trickery especially you

0:23:28.770,0:23:33.120

know never played all you play before or

five six people if they're like if

0:23:33.120,0:23:37.350

you're playing it with people like my

friends I guarantee you one of my

0:23:37.350,0:23:41.309

friends is gonna dick with us apparently

I'm hanging out with assholes so they're

0:23:41.309,0:23:46.140

gonna screw with me and they know me so

I asked question they're probably gonna

0:23:46.140,0:23:55.170

know the answer there's just no way to

100% know if somebody's and jerking your

0:23:55.170,0:24:01.920

chain or actually it's a spirit spelled

out the words because you can say did

0:24:01.920,0:24:07.010

you move that they're not they're gonna

say no of course they're gonna say no

0:24:07.010,0:24:10.400

never once heard of somebody saying oh

you got me no I never touched I've never

0:24:10.400,0:24:14.390

moved it

that's there's just too much room for

0:24:14.390,0:24:23.810

fakery in tricksters so that is my main

issue with the Ouija board as a

0:24:23.810,0:24:29.780

communication device if you were there I

believe brain games did it yeah it was

0:24:29.780,0:24:38.390

brain games yeah they did a session on or

did a show on these Ouija board and they

0:24:38.390,0:24:42.550

did a basically the session was they had

I think four people four or five people

0:24:42.550,0:24:48.130

think was this four used a quija board and

they were getting relevant you know

0:24:48.130,0:24:53.420

answers and you know people were you

know saying they weren't moving it and

0:24:53.420,0:25:00.020

then they did a second session in the

person who was doing the basically was

0:25:00.020,0:25:06.040

an experiment was doing the experiment

for this second session blindfolded them

0:25:06.040,0:25:14.720

now the spirit that was interacting with

him if it was a spirit was apparently as

0:25:14.720,0:25:20.870

soon as they did the session blindfold

he couldn't hit any letters any numbers

0:25:20.870,0:25:27.140

he was just randomly he or she the

spirit was just randomly you know it the

0:25:27.140,0:25:31.660

planchette was randomly stopping on

nothing

0:25:31.660,0:25:38.890

so what why is that why did in one

session it was working perfectly to the

0:25:38.890,0:25:44.470

next session when the people were blind

folded nothing was happening and it

0:25:44.470,0:25:50.490

didn't spell out anything didn't give

any kind of coherent answer whatsoever

0:25:50.490,0:25:57.240

somebody was moving it now the tricky

part is were they moving it on purpose

0:25:57.240,0:26:02.450

or were

was there is there is something called

0:26:02.450,0:26:07.550

the ideomotor effect where your brain

sends signals to your muscles and causes

0:26:07.550,0:26:11.900

movement movement and you might not even

know it's you're doing it it's this kind

0:26:11.900,0:26:16.220

of the same principle why people put

doubt dowsing rods you know your brain

0:26:16.220,0:26:20.600

sends a little a little signal to a

muscle and it could cause a twitch and

0:26:20.600,0:26:24.320

you not feel it you don't know you're

doing it so you are answering honestly

0:26:24.320,0:26:30.320

when you say I didn't move it but when

in fact you actually might have answered

0:26:30.320,0:26:36.470

your own question that is something you

have to take into account you can't just

0:26:36.470,0:26:42.650

say all that's hogwash you have to throw

that into the pot and take all that

0:26:42.650,0:26:46.670

information and come to a logical

conclusion

0:26:46.670,0:26:53.120

you just can't discount that like a lot

of people do and that is because of

0:26:53.120,0:26:59.690

confirmation bias people want to believe

and if you want to believe that bad you

0:26:59.690,0:27:06.800

it doesn't matter what you actually see

or do you're gonna think of the spirit

0:27:06.800,0:27:11.000

just like in that brain game session

even after he pointed out after the both

0:27:11.000,0:27:15.830

sessions I took their blindfolds off and

he told them and he meant you know he

0:27:15.830,0:27:21.170

was the first session he write down what

they the planchette spelled out and second

0:27:21.170,0:27:24.170

session he did the same thing you know

if it he just drew a box I believe it

0:27:24.170,0:27:30.650

was if it hit nothing and even with that

evidence the people I know I can't

0:27:30.650,0:27:37.100

remember exactly how many but I know one

person actually said I still believe you

0:27:37.100,0:27:44.980

have to take all the evidence and be

rational and put it all together

0:27:44.980,0:27:55.539

and come up with your own belief and if

you still look at the pros for the Ouija

0:27:55.539,0:28:03.070

board or any kind of paranormal and the

cons for for the same event and you

0:28:03.070,0:28:10.200

still come up with fine come if you

still come up with a feeling that

0:28:10.200,0:28:14.529

something paranormal happened or you

were acting interacting with the spirit

0:28:14.529,0:28:19.299

okay fine that's great as long as you

looked at it objectively and objectively

0:28:19.299,0:28:26.789

then fine I'm good with that but it's

just there are so many people that it

0:28:26.789,0:28:31.630

defines them their paranormal experience

defines them and they want to be

0:28:31.630,0:28:36.820

different and no matter what evidence

you present them they're still gonna

0:28:36.820,0:28:41.620

believe it as a ghost even if you

actually say hey I bang that I closed

0:28:41.620,0:28:48.190

that door they probably deep down will

still believe it was a spirit the

0:28:48.190,0:28:51.850

concept of confirmation bias you're

gonna see things your brain is gonna

0:28:51.850,0:28:57.010

tell you if you think it's you walk if

you walk to a location that's been

0:28:57.010,0:29:03.399

reported hundreds of reports of ghosts

and you're looking for ghosts you're

0:29:03.399,0:29:08.590

gonna find a ghost and that is something

that's really hard in the paranormal

0:29:08.590,0:29:12.220

field and I try to be very conscious of

it I go out looking for it and when I

0:29:12.220,0:29:18.309

investigate I'm investigating to hopefully

find or document or have some sort of

0:29:18.309,0:29:22.970

experience with the spirit world

but I'm very conscious of that

0:29:22.970,0:29:28.310

confirmation bias that's why with

whatever happens whatever experience I

0:29:28.310,0:29:34.010

have I tried to look at it rationally

and be objective about it before I jump

0:29:34.010,0:29:40.810

right to you know Aunt Lucy was

contacting me from the spirit world I

0:29:40.810,0:29:47.990

need I I'm aware and conscious of a

confirmation bias because it's funny if

0:29:47.990,0:29:51.140

you've been out on a paranormal

investigator investigation and you've

0:29:51.140,0:29:57.530

you can leave a comment and let me know

if you agree with this you might be at a

0:29:57.530,0:30:02.660

location and nothing's really going on

you're not getting a lot of interaction

0:30:02.660,0:30:07.190

or experiences and all sudden somebody

will have an experience if you're in a

0:30:07.190,0:30:12.980

group and I guarantee you as soon as one

person has an experience other people

0:30:12.980,0:30:18.850

will start having an experience that is

confirmation bias and you're getting

0:30:18.850,0:30:23.690

justification by somebody else you want

that spirit to be there interacting with

0:30:23.690,0:30:29.830

you so so bad and when somebody else has

that has an experience you immediately

0:30:29.830,0:30:35.780

will have one to that

than all paranormal investigators have

0:30:35.780,0:30:45.560

to take into account now let's talk

about my belief in Zozo no I don't think

0:30:45.560,0:30:53.240

that there's one particular if just for

sake of argument if I believe that this

0:30:53.240,0:30:59.210

Ouija board actually was communicating

with the dead I don't think it's one

0:30:59.210,0:31:05.240

demon attached to the Ouija board

because frankly he'd be a lame ass demon

0:31:05.240,0:31:11.450

if that's the only way he'd come out if

he is can cause that much havoc in some

0:31:11.450,0:31:16.340

of his life I'm sorry he doesn't need my

fingers on that planchette to move it

0:31:16.340,0:31:21.770

you want to impress me move that

sumbitch around by yourself it's I'm

0:31:21.770,0:31:25.370

gonna ask a question you move it around

answer it then I will say okay I'm

0:31:25.370,0:31:33.650

believer you got me so if that demon is

that powerful and can cause that much

0:31:33.650,0:31:38.789

havoc I understand the concept of

portals and you are opening up a portal

0:31:38.789,0:31:48.239

but I don't think that you need that

planchette to open that portal or have

0:31:48.239,0:31:52.109

that interaction if you're gonna have an

interaction with a demon just sitting

0:31:52.109,0:31:57.809

doing this podcast talking about it I am

probably opening that might be opening

0:31:57.809,0:32:03.089

up a portal I don't know

never seen a portal open up but if a

0:32:03.089,0:32:11.119

demon or a dark ant spirit needs that

kind of needs me to put my fingers on a

0:32:11.119,0:32:17.069

piece of glass with felt or something on

it to communicate with me I don't feared

0:32:17.069,0:32:21.779

that much sorry I just don't

maybe I'm opening myself up and I might

0:32:21.779,0:32:27.659

regret it if some does happen awesome

give me some great material talk about

0:32:27.659,0:32:35.489

on the podcast but I'm going to close

out by saying this if you feel that the

0:32:35.489,0:32:43.379

Ouija board is real and I believe you

know I do think we can form own reality

0:32:43.379,0:32:50.729

so if you put that much faith and

confidence in a Ouija board then it is

0:32:50.729,0:32:55.279

real to you I'm not gonna grade degrade

you and call you an idiot for believing

0:32:55.279,0:33:00.620

that

the Ouija board is a way to communicate

0:33:00.620,0:33:06.050

with the dead maybe it is I could be

wrong I just don't

0:33:06.050,0:33:11.450

I want more proof and I want an

experience with or where something could

0:33:11.450,0:33:17.710

actually manipulate that I need a little

bit more cold hard evidence I should say

0:33:17.710,0:33:23.660

but you know that's if you believe it

great I don't believe it

0:33:23.660,0:33:30.410

just like some people believe in God

some people don't I'm not going to say

0:33:30.410,0:33:36.860

you're a moron for thinking that the

Ouija board is a way to open up a portal

0:33:36.860,0:33:42.680

or communicate with the dead I haven't

seen in through my experience seen

0:33:42.680,0:33:48.410

that much evidence saying that it is

I've heard stories their stories that's

0:33:48.410,0:33:53.090

all they are and I think there's better

ways if you want to try to actually

0:33:53.090,0:33:59.510

interact with the spirit video camera a

digital recorder in my own personal

0:33:59.510,0:34:02.720

experience that is what I really go

investigating with and everything else

0:34:02.720,0:34:08.660

is just extra and I you know I think and

I've said this on many podcast and on

0:34:08.660,0:34:14.150

many of interviews that personal

experiences are number one in every

0:34:14.150,0:34:19.340

piece of equipment that you use that can

validate that personal experience

0:34:19.340,0:34:27.050

helps validate and can help move you

that much closer to answering the

0:34:27.050,0:34:32.419

question are the spirits interacting

with us or can we interact with the

0:34:32.419,0:34:37.940

spirit world

so that's gonna wrap up this episode of

0:34:37.940,0:34:43.280

ghosts in the night the Ouija board

edition if you have like I said earlier

0:34:43.280,0:34:49.340

story that you want to share you can

always find let me comment on the show

0:34:49.340,0:34:54.440

notes at ghostinthenightpodcast.com or send me an email at ghosts in the

0:34:54.440,0:35:02.800

night podcast at gmail.com I will have

links to all those in the show notes and

0:35:02.800,0:35:10.130

even on the Twitter post and I do there

is a Facebook page that you can check

0:35:10.130,0:35:15.170

out as well you can contact me there and

it's at ghost in the night podcast now I

0:35:15.170,0:35:19.010

think that's it not have to it'll be in

the show notes all the links will be in

0:35:19.010,0:35:25.070

the show notes so until next week take

care everybody I believe next week I

0:35:25.070,0:35:34.580

have a story from a listener who sent me

us his experiences or his childhood

0:35:34.580,0:35:37.700

experience that he wanted to share with

you guys so that is what's coming up

0:35:37.700,0:35:42.760

next week so take care and we'll see you

next week